[MCP] Homophobia vs. racism
Lafe Taylor
lafe at lafetaylor.com
Tue Nov 13 09:24:14 EST 2007
I used to do statistics and we know that stats are skewed, based on
who ran the test. Who are the 50%? Who was interviewed? And as far
as pedophiles classifying themselves as heterosexuals, who cares how
they classify themselves, most think their actions and affections are
normal. Would you agree to that as well?
As far as homophobia, I do not fear homosexuals. Just because I have
a moral opposition to homosexuality does in no way mean I am scared
of gay people. Homophobia is an easy term tossed around by people
who fear criticism or objecting views on homosexuality. I still find
it disgusting that people would equate sexual immorality with being
black, as if being black in fact is a deviant thing. These kinds of
associations go back to slavery and the slave masters demeaning views
toward black skin as if it were a biblical curse written in scripture
(of the which it is not).
Also I'd like to point out since you went there as well as Steve, not
once has anybody brought up the degrading attributes of the "ghetto"
or even mentioned anything else I said in reference to profiteering
off of black degradation. I merely mentioned homosexuality and then,
here comes the homosexual brigade ready to censor anything that may
be offensive to the "pristine" portrayal of homosexuals. Which again
only makes me more leery of people who try and justify the gay cause
through association with blacks. It seems and has always seemed to
me, that the comparison is done to further the homosexual cause more
so than it is to truly help blacks. On don't remember seeing Gay
pride flags during the King marches or the sit ins and boycotts.
Is this the real reason Viacom is fighting against "homophobia" on BET?
Lafe Taylor
Graphic Illustrator
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lafe at lafetaylor.com
On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Paul C. Gorski wrote:
> Lafe,
>
> Two quick points, because I didn't want to enter this conversation,
> either...
>
> 1. On this listserv you will be called out for your homophobia and
> heterosexism just as quickly as you will call somebody else out for
> their
> racism. On this listserv, homophobia and heterosexism are just as
> atrocious
> as racism. So if you're going to expect anyone to address their
> racism, then
> stand up and deal with your homophobia.
>
> 2. Most--in fact, nearly all--pedophiles who target same-sex victims
> identify themselves as heterosexual. Often they are married or in
> heterosexual relationships. So if you want to talk about facts,
> those are
> the facts. The fact that the victim is of the same sex does not
> mean that
> the person is gay or lesbian. A study just a few years ago found
> that close
> to 50% of adults in the U.S. who identify as heterosexual have had
> at least
> one same-sex intimate experience (as in physically intimiate,
> ranging from
> kissing to intercourse). Does that mean that 50% of adults in the
> U.S. are
> lesbians and gay men?
>
> Paul
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcp-bounces at edchange.org
>> [mailto:mcp-bounces at edchange.org] On Behalf Of lafe at lafetaylor.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:34 PM
>> To: Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity,
>> social justice,and multicultural education.
>> Subject: Re: [MCP] Fwd: "minority kid burning"...
>>
>>
>> It may seem absurd, but the facts as they are, are true. In
>> reference to Greece, I believe you are referring to Cadamites
>> of the which was still homosexual behavior . Calling a
>> sexual predator who prays on children of the same sex a
>> heterosexual is ridiculous. The fact that the victim is of
>> the same sex means that person is still homosexual, no matter
>> how you classify the pedophile.
>>
>> I hope this is not the case, but, please don't ever include
>> homosexuals as a minority class on the same level as blacks
>> of the which I find highly offensive.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Lafe Taylor
>> Graphics Illustrator
>> http://lafetaylor.com
>> http://lafetaylor.blogspot.com
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [MCP] Fwd: "minority kid burning"...
>>> From: steve greaves <sgreavess at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Mon, November 12, 2007 3:25 pm
>>> To: "Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social
>>> justice, and multicultural education." <mcp at edchange.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lafe, your letter sounded pretty tight, but for your slur
>> against homosexuals, attributing homosexuality to the
>> depraving conditions of same-sex imprisonment, which on the
>> face of it is absurd. Homosexuality was highly regarded in
>> the first democracy, ancient Greece, although a key element
>> of it would nowadays be called child sexual abuse.
>> Ironically, most men in ancient Greece were not homosexual,
>> just as most perpetrators of child sexual abuse today are not
>> gay, but heterosexual. Anyway, it's important in the cause
>> of fighting for equality and justice for all to assiduously
>> avoid dehumanizing or reinforcing the oppression of any other
>> minority that is being exploited or persecuted by the
>> dominant classes.
>>> sincerely,
>>> steve greaves
>>>
>>> Lafe Taylor <lafe at lafetaylor.com> wrote:
>>> I'd like to chime in : )
>>>
>>> James, from what I know as far as access to television
>> and getting
>>> the show aired, you may try and contact the producers or
>> whomever owns the rights to the show, and see if they will
>> allow you to air the show on public access at the very least.
>> I know it may seem pointless to air a show on pub access,
>> but it's still an audience. Worth a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as media and it's portrayal of the negative, the
>> only way to
>>> change it is through economics. Thinks of the bus
>> boycotts. People purposely inconvenienced themselves and
>> carpooled instead of taking the bus. The bus industry took
>> such an economic hit, that they integrated way before the law
>> of the land did. Same thing with rap and what's being pushed
>> and spoon fed to our community and the world. The only real
>> way to change the climate is through economics. Make the
>> industry hurt, and the pockets is the only way the hurt
>> comes. I guarantee that even a Little wayne would change his
>> image/message if it were no longer profitable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me get biblical if I may, in Mt 6:21 (KJV) "For where your
>>> treasure is there will your heart be also." When the 6
>> major companies, that virtually own all the media realize
>> that degrading black people, or any people for that matter is
>> no longer filling the banks, then they will cease to do so.
>> Imus is such a hot topic, or at least was, [now Dogg took his
>> place ; ) ]. I guarantee that Imus will get either his job
>> back, or a better one. Why? Because the outrage hasn't
>> disrupted his earning potential, because sadly enough, he
>> still has an eager audience awaiting to hear him.
>>>
>>>
>>> The exploitation of blacks has been way too profitable
>> throughout american history..... examples: slavery,
>> prostitution, drugs, gambling, and entertainment (rap being
>> the most self hating forms of ent. around) *I grew up on
>> rap, so I love the art form, just not the PREVALENT message.
>>> So when exploiting blacks no longer reaps rewards, we
>> will no longer
>>> have to be subjected to such exploits.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, I don't believe economics is the only
>> solution,
>>> but it does have a major impact on the discussion, and
>> until we as a people can unite on realizing how powerful our
>> dollars are, and actually sacrifice our own indulgence in the
>> scheme, we will not not likely ever overcome the ills of racism.
>>>
>>>
>>> My basis for this thought is my deep concerns on welfare
>> as we know
>>> it. Not from a tax dollars standpoint, but from a morality
>> basis, I mentioned the bible so you know I must address morality ; )
>>>
>>>
>>> The "War on Poverty" introduced by Lyndon B. Johnson, may
>> have been one of the most devastating things that happened to
>> the black community (aside from integration, drugs and
>> alcohol) I say this because it decimated the black family.
>> It took men out of the homes of black families, thus
>> deteriorating marriage in the black community. Divorce is
>> the one of the major causes of poverty in the US. It kills
>> self empowerment, cause it's more "profitable" to not work
>> and depend on the gov, than it is to work and have all your
>> benefits eliminated. The lack of work and the lack of male
>> role models has lead to idleness in the communities, thus
>> drive is gone and so is purpose. Not to mention the design
>> of Ghettos. The design behind ghettos themselves are built
>> to be destructive. Ghettos were by Nazis in order to
>> decimate the Jews. I remember studying psychology and
>> discussing the adverse affect of "GHETTO" style living among
>> rats. The close quarter design bred violence and
>>> aggression, homosexuality (look at the prison system) and
>> disease.
>>> These things are systematic and destructive by design. The
>> state of welfare coupled with ghetto's among a host of other
>> things has taken it's toll on the black community as we know it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lafe Taylor
>>> Graphic Illustrator
>>>
>>>
>>> CHECK THE SITES!!!
>>> http://lafetaylor.com
>>> http://www.wgomag.com
>>>
>>>
>>> lafe at lafetaylor.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:32 AM, John Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent comments, LaVeta and James!!!
>>> Yep, the positive rap doesn't get anywhere near the same
>> marketing that the negative stuff does.
>>>
>>> We all know that "if the white-dominated news had an opportunity to
>>> report on something positive in the Black community v.
>> something negative, they're going to embrace the negative.
>>>
>>> I think that by examining "why smooth jazz (which is what I
>> listen to)
>>> and other artists do NOT receive the same type of marketing
>> as negative/gangsta rap, it should provide us with a window
>> of clarity or framework from which to examine everthying else.
>>>
>>> For example, whites often complain about rap music, but go out of
>>> their way to broadcast it on radio, TV music channels, and
>> feature them during TV awards shows.
>>>
>>> When is the last time that you saw George Benson, Stanley Clarke,
>>> Brenda Russell, Najee, Marion Meadows, Pamela Williams, Kim Waters,
>>> etc., on a TV music awards show?! Never, right?!
>>>
>>> This makes one wonder why the music companies these artists
>> work for
>>> are not demanding that their artists receive top billing or more
>>> publicity on these shows. Aren't these folks more the type
>> of role model that you'd want your teenagers listening to or
>> looking at?
>>>
>>> Additionally, with whites owning the majority of the music
>> production
>>> and distribution companies, the retail music trade, and
>> controls the airwaves, they could easily change the entire
>> industry overnight...but they don't want to..because they
>> have a larger covert interest.
>>>
>>> Hence, the exclusion of positive and significantly more talented
>>> artists doesn't make economic sense and nor does it make
>> sense within the context of "whites complaining about gangsta rap."
>>>
>>> However, it does make sense within the context of the "campaign to
>>> destroy the Black family."
>>> Thus, these music companies stunt the careers and earning
>> capacities of these positive role models in order to
>> participate in the larger campaign to destroy the Black
>> family, and thereby both lessen the competition for jobs and
>> create jobs in the prisons.
>>>
>>> James, what area of the country are you in?
>>> We don't have TV-One here in Lexington, but our local
>> cable provider
>>> (Insight) does include it in their channel lineup in Louisville.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen "The Man Called Hawk," but it appears that
>> the same
>>> thing that happened with Frank's Place occurred with
>> "Hawk": a show with a strong and intelligent Black character
>> was thrown in the rejects pile.
>>>
>>> I think that with a concerted effort we could change the
>> offerings of various cable packages.
>>> For example, with DISH or DIRECT you don't get BET in the
>> basic or the next level's package of shows.
>>> And I'm no fan of what they should be calling Ghetto
>> Entertainment Television (GET).
>>> (will someone please smack the sh*t out of Robert Johnson
>> for me?!)
>>>
>>> We have got to be more energetic in this area. After all,
>> we are spending money for these
>>> " 'services.' "
>>>
>>> John L.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:19:27 -0800
>>> From: lavetafranze at yahoo.com
>>> To: mcp at edchange.org
>>> Subject: Re: [MCP] "minority kid burning"...
>>>
>>> I wrote a paper on this very issue as an undergrad as well...
>>> It' has definitely cast a shadow on what we as American's
>> would have hoped would be an unbiased and truthful account of
>> the news; when in fact it is much more than meets the eye.
>>> For some this may be old news, for all others…
>>>
>>> In the video documentary "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War
>> on Journalism" by Robert Greenwald, the portrayal of the Fox
>> News Network was depicted as a wolf's in sheep's clothing.
>> The Fox News Network was scrutinized for their
>> "interpretation" of the news. Many issues were presented via
>> interviews with past employees, news clips of the Fox News
>> Network's airings, and special reports. In turn evidence
>> against the Fox News Network and Rupert Murdoch especially
>> was presented in the form of interviews with some of the most
>> prominent figures in journalistic society. This video
>> presented the Fox News Network as a malicious bully, with
>> negative overtones, that challenges Fox's factuality and
>> reliability in presenting the news in a professional manor.
>> Evidence of repetitive attempts to skew and slant the news in
>> a biased manor was captured on video.
>>> What's so interesting is how this was primetime news,
>> trusted my millions.
>>> It's eye opening!
>>> For anyone interested....
>>> www.outfoxed.org/
>>>
>>> LaVeta Franzé
>>> lavetafranze at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James H. Allen" <ravissimo at academicplanet.com> wrote:
>>> Greetings:
>>>
>>> Indeed, there are those who religiously watch COPS, just
>> like there
>>> are those who will spend hours on end watching all of the
>> JUDGE shows
>>> that occupy the airwaves. There are those who believe
>> EVERYTHING they see on television. I know it sounds
>> ridiculous, but unfortunately it is true. Without sounding
>> paranoid, I do believe that their is a design to all of this.
>> First, it is designed to make society afraid, non-trusting,
>> judgmental (for those who are not "Black") and for those who
>> are "Black" it is designed to have project a glorified way of
>> being tough and in a warp sense "to have power." Sure most
>> of us have never stepped foot in jail, but after you have
>> been there, you return to your "hood" more glorified than you
>> were before. So now the vicious cycle gains momentum. And
>> because WE are followers by nature-things have taken a
>> dramatic turn for the worse. Just look at the generation of
>> young Blacks wearing their pants low-cursing like
>> sailors-disrespecting females. These are learned behaviors,
>> they did not enter into AMERICA with these traits. The home
>> environment, or more certainly lack of, and the need to fit
>> in has caused them to follow a path of self-destruction. It
>> is as if they are in a bed of ants, and do not realize that
>> they are being eaten alive.
>>>
>>> Then of course we have the RAP music. Now, RAP in and of
>> itself is
>>> not bad, BUT what is the content of the message. Therein
>> lies the problem. The message is disrespect, drugs,
>> violence, and a get it "by any means necessary." Malcolm
>> would roll over in his grave if he thought his words would be
>> used in such regard. There have been attempts by Rappers to
>> perform RAP intended to raise the consciousness of the "BLACK
>> MAN", but the music industry will not promote RAP that is
>> intended to have a positive message, only that which fits
>> into the self degradation that I mention above.
>>>
>>> You see, it still feels good to believe that "YOU" are
>> better than
>>> someone else. If you cannot do it by force (slavery), then
>> you do it
>>> subliminally. It is an inherited fault of Humanity. When
>> you find those who try to pull their fellow man up with them,
>> those are persons that has elected to advance up the ladder
>> of Humanity. I am troubled to say-that most people choose
>> not to take that journey. The discussions we have on this
>> site are unlike most anywhere. At least we are willing to
>> discuss the issues and attempt to formulate through
>> intelligent exchange, a possible way that we might change our
>> environment. But, you must see the MASTER PLAN, to have
>> people to be made to feel AFRAID. Homeland Security,
>> Immigration Issues, "War of Terror", "Weapons of Mass
>> Destruction", Mushroom clouds, etc. Etc. ETC. So people just
>> say we will trust our government to do what is best for US,
>> because they feel the government will have their best
>> interest at heart. So they become mindless followers,
>> instead of choosing to be independent thinkers.
>>>
>>> Now, there have attempts to have positive role models on
>>> television-One that I really thought was excellent was A
>> MAN CALLED HAWK. It had 13 episodes and then was not
>> continued. I have tried in vain to find out how I could get
>> these episodes for my community, but I have met a stone wall
>> at every turn. I believe that "HAWK" was such a positive
>> example of a MAN-especially a BLACK MAN that the network was
>> either paid off, or told to take it off the air. If anyone
>> has access to how I may obtain A Man Called hawk, I would
>> truly be appreciative. I have an afterschool outreach-if
>> anyone has any other suggestive movies that I can show my
>> group, please email me. Thanks.
>>>
>>> I am because We are, We are therefore, I am
>>>
>>> ~ James H. Allen ~
>>> www.knowledge-first.org
>>> jhallen at knowledge-first.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: John Lindsay
>>> To: Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity,
>> social justice, andmulticultural education.
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MCP] "minority kid burning"...
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> I remember writing an essay about "Blacks portrayal in the
>> media" while an undergrad, and one of the sources I cited was
>> an article demonstrating how the show "COPS" and other
>> similar TV programs were presenting crime as if the rates
>> were going through the roof...while in reality the violent
>> crime rate had dropped.
>>>
>>> So we must always be attentive to how the media seeks to influence
>>> public opinions through deceptive means.
>>>
>>> I don't think people actively watch shows like COPS like
>> they may do
>>> with the news. Thus, such lies are more likely to enter their
>>> unconsciousness without a challenge.
>>>
>>> Oh, by the way, the other violent crime that isn't included in the
>>> stats I posted are those stemming from defective products.
>>>
>>> We can't allow the powers-that-be to be the only ones that define
>>> "what violent crime is."
>>>
>>> John L.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:42:45 -0800
>>> From: lavetafranze at yahoo.com
>>> To: mcp at edchange.org
>>> Subject: Re: [MCP] "minority kid burning"...
>>>
>>> Isn't it amazing that these aren't the same statistics we
>> see in mainstream media?
>>> (sarcasm intended)
>>> Kind of makes me say hmmmmm????
>>> Also, would you cite this? I would like to look at some
>> other statistics as well.
>>> Thanks for the info!
>>>
>>> John Lindsay <jclind2 at msn.com> wrote
>>>
>>> Blacks do not have a monopoly on violence:
>>>
>>>
>>> Arrests by Race, 2002
>>>
>>> Percent distribution1
>>> Offense charged
>>> White
>>> Black
>>> American
>>> Indian or
>>> Alaskan
>>> Native
>>> Asian
>>> or
>>> Pacific
>>> Islander
>>> Total
>>> 71.5%
>>> 25.7%
>>> 1.3%
>>> 1.6%
>>> Murder2
>>> 45.9
>>> 50.1
>>> 2.4
>>> 1.6
>>> Forcible rape
>>> 62.0
>>> 36.0
>>> 1.1
>>> 1.0
>>> Robbery
>>> 38.6
>>> 58.9
>>> 0.5
>>> 2.0
>>> Aggravated assault
>>> 60.8
>>> 36.7
>>> 1.2
>>> 1.3
>>> Burglary
>>> 72.4
>>> 25.2
>>> 1.1
>>> 1.3
>>> Larceny-theft
>>> 70.1
>>> 26.5
>>> 2.4
>>> 2.1
>>> Motor vehicle theft
>>> 58.3
>>> 38.3
>>> 1.4
>>> 2.0
>>> Arson
>>> 80.7
>>> 17.6
>>> 0.8
>>> 0.9
>>> Other assaults
>>> 62.9
>>> 34.7
>>> 1.2
>>> 1.2
>>> Forgery and counterfeiting
>>> 78.1
>>> 19.5
>>> 0.9
>>> 1.5
>>> Fraud
>>> 66.1
>>> 32.0
>>> 0.7
>>> 1.2
>>> Embezzlement
>>> 69.3
>>> 28.6
>>> 0.1
>>> 2.0
>>> Stolen property-buying,
>>> receiving, possessing
>>> 56.5
>>> 41.4
>>> 0.7
>>> 1.4
>>> Vandalism
>>> 81.0
>>> 16.6
>>> 1.2
>>> 1.2
>>> Weapons possession
>>> 67.1
>>> 30.7
>>> 0.8
>>> 1.3
>>> Prostitution
>>> 43.8
>>> 54.6
>>> 0.5
>>> 1.1
>>> Sex offenses, except
>>> forcible rape
>>> and prostitution
>>> 72.1%
>>> 26.0%
>>> 0.8%
>>> 1.2%
>>> Drug abuse violation
>>> 73.2
>>> 24.9
>>> 0.9
>>> 1.0
>>> Gambling
>>> 11.4
>>> 85.7
>>>
>>> 2.9
>>> Offenses against family
>>> and children
>>> 73.8
>>> 23.5
>>> 0.9
>>> 1.8
>>> Driving under
>>> the influence
>>> 93.3
>>> 4.1
>>> 1.8
>>> 0.8
>>> Liquor laws
>>> 92.2
>>> 4.4
>>> 2.5
>>> 0.9
>>> Drunkenness
>>> 90.0
>>> 7.4
>>> 1.9
>>> 0.7
>>> Disorderly conduct
>>> 63.9
>>> 34.0
>>> 1.2
>>> 0.8
>>> Vagrancy
>>> 75.6
>>> 22.8
>>> 0.9
>>> 0.7
>>> All other offenses
>>> except traffic
>>> 74.9
>>> 22.3
>>> 1.2
>>> 1.6
>>> Suspicion
>>> 69.7
>>> 28.2
>>> 0.6
>>> 1.5
>>> Curfew and loitering
>>> law violations
>>> 68.6
>>> 28.8
>>> 1.1
>>> 1.5
>>> Runaways
>>> 75.8
>>> 18.4
>>> 1.3
>>> 4.5
>>>
>>> NOTE: For arrests 18 years and older. Total number of
>> estimated arrests: 13.7 million.
>>> 1. Because of rounding, the percentages may not add up to total.
>>> 2. Includes nonnegligent manslaughter.
>>> Source: Crime in the United States, 2002, FBI, Uniform Crime
>>> Reports.
>>>
>>> John L.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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