[MCP] limiting access

Sat Mar 10 21:28:14 EST 2007

Hi John.  Not sure how that obliterates my first paragraph?  That's my point exactly.  Look, someone has to take the risk of printing, advertising, and selling a book.  Frances wrote the book and receives money for the books that are sold.  So the company sets the price - they need to make, oh the horror, money too.  If it is the price you object to, I'm in agreement with you 100%.  I clicked on the link to see a preview of the book and you know what, I think that book is way overpriced too.  About $124 overpriced.  Glad to see we agree on one thing.  Actually Frances could give it away free, post it on the internet.  Of course that would cost Frances money and then people would have to go to the website, but you get my point.  

Now, as for the Palm Nation thing... are you kidding me.  You're trying to claim that our government was founded not on the ideas of Enlightenment Europe, Rome, and Greece but on some obscure 17th century Amazon nation?  Universal Healthcare involves economics... planned economic communities, societies, and nations have not been successful.  If you have to build a wall to keep people in, like East Germany, you are doing something wrong.

Lastly, there are efforts as part of NCLB to combat drop-out rates of various subgroups - English language learners is just one.  This law brings accountability to public schools that absent a free market is desperately needed.  Schools are monitored and labeled failing if these subgroups consistently under perform.  I'm not a fan of NCLB (signed into law by Pres. Bush AND the liberal icon Ted Kennedy) but it is preventing schools from ignoring these students.  

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Lindsay 
  To: mcp at edchange.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 7:36 PM
  Subject: [MCP] limiting access

  Come now, Steve. You know Frances doesn't have the means to produce books and then give them away for free. That obliterates your first paragraph.

  Now for the second one:

  If you had to refer to a Spanish dictionary to interpret everything *we* wrote, that would place you...far behind the rest of us, right? Well, apply that example to the schools.

  Rather than wait for you to catch up, I think we'll just ignore you, or even better, "force you out (drop-out), for we really don't want you here anyway.  But the again, we need your body for the money we get from the state to operate.

  Lastly...who says we have to use Canada (red herring) for a model?!

  But here's something I want you to think about:

  When the so-called "Founding Fathers" implemented a democracy here (which they copied from the Palm Nation), that was over 200 years ago, and they're still attempting to get it right.

  Hence, we have plenty of time to work on delivering universal healthcare in an efficient manner. 

  John L. 

  From: "Steve Moynihan" <spmoynihan at comcast.net>
  Reply-To: "Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social justice,and multicultural education." <mcp at edchange.org>
  To: "Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social justice,and multicultural education." <mcp at edchange.org>
  Subject: Re: [MCP] limiting access
  Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:01:02 -0500

  Hmmmmm.

  Francis Kendall may not have set the price, but Francis made a contract with the publisher.  Francis could have given the book away free and not have had it published by a company.  So Francis is guilty of classism.  Francis made a choice and appears to be a classist.  My logic does apply.  

  If you want to post in Spanish, that is fine.  I could pick up a Spanish dictionary and figure out what you were saying... if I really wanted to.  Probably not. What is wrong with asking people in America to expect to speak English?  I understand about global economies... most Americans though live in work and travel here.  I think it is great that people come here and want to learn English and that Americans learn other languages, whether for travel, business, or national defense.  But printing ballots in Farsi or Spanish road signs... the Balkanization of America has begun.  Our neighbors to the north... so multicultural, so dual-language, so divided.

  How do we pay for universal healthcare?  Again Canada, its not a great model.  Waiting weeks for an appointment that takes days in America is not a great trade-off.  Our healthcare system is far from perfect, but a move toward a free market is better than central planning.  

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: John Lindsay 

  To: mcp at edchange.org 

  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:52 AM

  Subject: [MCP] limiting access

  Hmmmm.

  Perhaps I should write my reply in Spanish, re your comments on "Bilingual Education."
  Would that limit your access to the information?

  Because that's what I'm referring to: the various ways this society limits access to pertinent information, etc.
  "Is everyone expected to provide their product or service for free, at a ridiculously low price, or for the perceived general good?"

  Should I allow you to determine the only choices to answer your question?! 

  Are you opposed to universal healthcare for the US?

  Frances Kendall didn't set the price of the book. So your "logic" doesn't apply. 

  John L. 

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