[MCP] limiting access
Bill Braun
bbraun at hlthsys.com
Thu Mar 8 20:22:21 EST 2007
I think you are still flying too close to the ground, Steve. There is
nothing wrong with asking people in America to speak English. It becomes
problematic when they are demonized when they don't learn it at the
speed white people think they should. It is not an issue of language,
Steve, it is an issue of white supremacy.
Your information on wait times in Canada is woefully anecdotal. One
would think from such a comment that they are a less healthy nation than
we are. Quite the contrary. We lag behind all other industrialized
nations on critical community based measure of health (post-natal care,
for example), on some measures even lagging behind some Two-Third World
countries. You are confusing statistically insignificant (but dramatic)
health problems with community health. I recommend "Why Are Some People
Health and Other Are Not?" by Evans, Barer, and Marmor to bone up on the
primary longitudinal determinants of health. Also, check out the
Whitehall Study.
Free markets work when purchasers have all the information they need and
understand to make discriminating purchases. Many markets, healthcare
among them, are driven by information that is not accessible to most
people. As an example, what is the differential diagnosis for a
headache, Steve? If you cannot answer that question, on what basis would
you advocate that free markets govern healthcare?
Bill Braun
Steve Moynihan wrote:
> Hmmmmm.
>
> Francis Kendall may not have set the price, but Francis made a
> contract with the publisher. Francis could have given the book away
> free and not have had it published by a company. So Francis is guilty
> of classism. Francis made a choice and appears to be a classist. My
> logic does apply.
>
> If you want to post in Spanish, that is fine. I could pick up a
> Spanish dictionary and figure out what you were saying... if I really
> wanted to. Probably not. What is wrong with asking people in America
> to expect to speak English? I understand about global economies...
> most Americans though live in work and travel here. I think it is
> great that people come here and want to learn English and that
> Americans learn other languages, whether for travel, business, or
> national defense. But printing ballots in Farsi or Spanish road
> signs... the Balkanization of America has begun. Our neighbors to the
> north... so multicultural, so dual-language, so divided.
>
> How do we pay for universal healthcare? Again Canada, its not a great
> model. Waiting weeks for an appointment that takes days in America is
> not a great trade-off. Our healthcare system is far from perfect, but
> a move toward a free market is better than central planning.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Lindsay <mailto:jclind2 at msn.com>
> *To:* mcp at edchange.org <mailto:mcp at edchange.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:52 AM
> *Subject:* [MCP] limiting access
>
> Hmmmm.
>
> Perhaps I should write my reply in Spanish, re your comments on
> "Bilingual Education."
> Would that limit your access to the information?
>
> Because that's what I'm referring to: the various ways this
> society limits access to pertinent information, etc.
>
> "Is everyone expected to provide their product or service for
> free, at a ridiculously low price, or for the perceived general good?"
>
> Should I allow you to determine the only choices to answer your
> question?!
>
> Are you opposed to universal healthcare for the US?
>
> Frances Kendall didn't set the price of the book. So your "logic"
> doesn't apply.
>
>
> John L.
>
>
> From: /"Steve Moynihan" <spmoynihan at comcast.net>/
> Reply-To: /"Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity,
> social justice,and multicultural education." <mcp at edchange.org>/
> To: /"Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social
> justice,and multicultural education." <mcp at edchange.org>/
> Subject: /Re: [MCP] (no subject)/
> Date: /Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:50:47 -0500/
>
> Maybe I missed the sarcasm, but...
>
> If setting a price for one's product or service is classism, then
> every store, university, gas station, college, contractor, doctor,
> repairman, pizza shop etc. is a part of this -ism. And if setting
> a price for your service, or labor, is classism, then establishing
> a minimum wage could be classist. Is everyone expected to provide
> their product or service for free, at a ridiculously low price, or
> for the perceived general good? Things worked well for the former
> Soviet bloc. Maybe I need some more explaining on this -ism...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* John Lindsay <mailto:jclind2 at msn.com>
>
> *To:* mcp at edchange.org <mailto:mcp at edchange.org>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:29 PM
>
> *Subject:* [MCP] (no subject)
>
>
>
> Has anyone read this book? Kendall spoke at the university here
> back in the mid-90s, holding a two-day workshop for faculty and
> staff.
>
> I thought she did a great job!!! I was allowed to attend
> due to my work with the student org known as AWARE.
>
> It seems the good books always have an outrageous
> price.....another form of classism.
>
> John L.
>
>
>
> 6.
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-White-Privilege-Authentic-Relationships/dp/0415951798/ref=sr_1_6/002-4211843-7192050?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173234106&sr=1-6>
>
>
>
> *Understanding White Privilege: Creating Pathways to
> Authentic Relationships Across Race (Teaching/Learning for
> Social Justice)*
> <http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-White-Privilege-Authentic-Relationships/dp/0415951798/ref=sr_1_6/002-4211843-7192050?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173234106&sr=1-6>
> by Frances E. Kendall (*Hardcover* - Mar 21, 2006)
> Buy new
> <http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-White-Privilege-Authentic-Relationships/dp/0415951798/ref=sr_1_6/002-4211843-7192050?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173234106&sr=1-6>:
> *$125.00* See 8 offers
> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0415951798/ref=sr_1_olp_6/002-4211843-7192050?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173234106&sr=1-6>
> from $114.90
>
>
>
>
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