[MCP] a different take

Wed Feb 14 11:06:19 EST 2007

The last thing we need is  poets with `eloquent fury' to succour the 
detractors.   Mainstream is doing fine, thank you.  Burns, in her 
passion, however Afrocentric, is  helping to stoke the fire of prejudice 
against African Americans and Blacks. 

Benny Quay

delva freeman wrote:

>I am considered "African American" even though I am of Caribbean heritage, 
>and education is highly valued by my people. How else can we compete? It is 
>time for us to get rid of these stereotypes.
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Brown, Philemon" <philemon at austin.utexas.edu>
>To: "Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social justice, 
>and multicultural education." <mcp at edchange.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [MCP] a different take
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>>I concur with Paul and offer that the context in which a teacher views
>>children has a direct relationship to the method and passion
>>instructions are delivered. Some teachers are prone to rely upon
>>stereotypes as a method to develop relationships with children. This is
>>most unfortunate and counter productive for the child and teacher.
>>
>>As a Black professional with children this is not my reality or the
>>reality of my colleagues and friends. We all value education and most
>>have plans in place to reinforce this idea. For example, in order for my
>>child to participate in sports he must maintain an 80 average in each
>>subject. This process was used for my daughter and she graduated with
>>honors and lettered in 3 sports in high school. She also played volley
>>ball n college.
>>
>>That notion that Blacks don't value education is really and outdated
>>excuse for not creating and atmosphere to inspire our children to learn.
>>
>>Philemon
>>
>>Philemon Brown
>>Senior Program Coordinator
>>Organizational Diversity and Development
>>Division of Housing and Food Service
>>The University of Texas at Austin
>>512-232-2516
>>Prejudice is a burden which confuses the past, threatens the future, and
>>renders the present inaccessible.
>>
>>Maya Angelou
>>
>>
>>
>>The University of Texas at Austin
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: mcp-bounces at edchange.org [mailto:mcp-bounces at edchange.org] On
>>Behalf Of Paul C. Gorski
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:08 PM
>>To: Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social
>>justice,and multicultural education.
>>Subject: Re: [MCP] a different take
>>
>>Alicia,
>>
>>Actually, research refutes the idea that African American parents do not
>>value education. I think it's dangerous to start with the assumption
>>that
>>this happens because of a deficit among a group of people that is
>>systemically disenfranchised. If we look at this a little more broadly,
>>what are the "models" we give African American youth? Go into your
>>school
>>libraries and look at the biography section. How many of the African
>>Americans represented there are athletes or entertainers? How many of
>>the
>>white people represented there are athletes or entertainers?
>>
>>It's also difficult to convince somebody to value something that, in
>>their
>>view and experience, is unattainable. For many economically
>>disadvantaged
>>people, whether of color or white, that's the reality re: diplomas and
>>degrees. Still, these disenfranchised folks are socialized to value
>>cars,
>>clothes, etc., because they're brought up in the same consumer culture
>>as
>>anyone else. It's just that wealthy folks can afford to have the cars,
>>clothes, and so on and still have resources left over. There is
>>absolutely
>>no evidence that white people value material goods any less than African
>>American people. In fact, in the aftermath of the Enron aburdity, one
>>might argue quite the contrary.
>>
>>Paul
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>>>i think african america children drop out because their parents and
>>>      
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>>peers
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>>>do not value education
>>>
>>>  if they were taught to value diplomas and degrees as they do nba/nfl
>>>careers, clothes, cars, sex etc...then they would be equally driven
>>>academically
>>>
>>>  iti s truly as shame
>>>
>>>  i teach first grade
>>>  and such twisted priorities evince even at age 7....
>>>  ie
>>>  everything is more important than reading and writing
>>>  play stations/dancing etc
>>>
>>>  i battle this insanity on the front lines of academic lives daily...
>>>
>>>  peace
>>>  alicia banks
>>>  eloquent fury
>>>  www.geocities.com/ambwww
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