[MCP] Fwd: "minority kid burning"...

Tue Dec 18 12:26:45 EST 2007

Your tirade is understandable, however; "You" need to discuss you confusion with your maker. When you have an entire race of people targeted because of bigotry and ignorance that is totally different from individuals choosing an "alternative" life style. Let's say it is not a choice why should someone apologize to you or anyone else for their beliefs. No one is attacking you about your beliefs nor is any one advocating damaging and or milining anyone we just do not and will not be forced into this ridiculous trumped up term "homophobic".

  It is your education sir? that is limited. You nor I have the market cornered on determining creations.

  God's blessings

steve greaves <sgreavess at yahoo.com> wrote:
    i hate when i feel i have to use precious time to educate people who are willfully ignorant just because they believe their prejudice is God-given wisdom or "natural."  So I'll cut to the chase.  If you are offended by discussion of homosexuals, you automatically give away your prejudice and are not to be trusted to be honest about or humble about things you are ignorant of, but rather steam yourself up in righteous indignation that there are others on this planet whose needs don't make sense to you and therefore should shut up about them and leave you alone to be superior to them in your smug ignorance.  Whether a man or woman is homosexual isn't a question of what you think about it or what you imagine some arbitrary "God" which is your copout label for some ultimate authority which you obviously can't take responsibility for yourself as a human being since you've already closed the book on learning anything that might shift your being out of its cock-eyed arrogance.
  So, casey, if you're proud of your heterosexuality, as your buddy lafe seems to be, you guys can snuggle up with it and whine about being victims of racism more than some gays who have been beaten to a pulp or tortured and then murdered -- which, o my gosh, is what has happened to a hell of a lot of men and women of darker skin color under the thumb of lighter skinned people -- except when it's darker skinned people doing it to lighter skinned people, which has happened too.  Tyrants come in all hues, as history shows.  In Japan, many are convinced of Europeans' inferiority biologically.  And during WWII they did what they could to demonstrate it.  All of which is simply to point out that dismissing others whose woundedness makes no sense to you and/or you dismiss it as delusional or insane, or claim homosexuality is insane and therefore any who claim that "preference" or rather that vector of desiring deserve whatever comes their way in terms of violence, abuse,
 disenfranchisement -- well, celebrate your membership in the species that prides itself on its provincialisms.  Squash any bugs lately, you carnal men you?

casey lars <allprodads1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
    Has everyone lost their ever loving minds in their "sick attempts" to compare homosexuality to race?  Ethnicity and socialism is as old as the world.

  Where ever minority people go they are immediately "spotted" , homosexuals (many of them) chooses to share their sexual preferences.  My point is, people of color receives immediate disdain, racist attitudes are overtly prevalent, etc. etc. etc.

  Ladies and gentlemen please; never insult minorities again by attempting to "lump" this "alternative life style" in with the world's negative attitudes toward minority people. We are hated and abhored just cause...!

  All of this homophobia talk is insane; heterosexuals have  the right to be heterosexual in mind and in spirit. This does not, however; translate into anyone having the right to abuse and misuse anyone regardless of thier "preference".

  Each one of us need to get real and talk to God or whom ever you choose as your Supreme being and allow them to answer this very complex and confusing question as to; why do people of the same sex feel an attraction to their counterpart? 

  I'll will be the first to admit it seems completely insane to me as a carnal man; however God did not leave me in charge of determining what is insane or not insane.

  God's blessings,

  Melvin Lars

lafe at lafetaylor.com wrote:
  It may seem absurd, but the facts as they are, are true. In reference
to Greece, I believe you are referring to Cadamites of the which was
still homosexual behavior . Calling a sexual predator who prays on
children of the same sex a heterosexual is ridiculous. The fact that
the victim is of the same sex means that person is still homosexual, no
matter how you classify the pedophile. 

I hope this is not the case, but, please don't ever include homosexuals
as a minority class on the same level as blacks of the which I find
highly offensive.

Sincerely,

Lafe Taylor
Graphics Illustrator
http://lafetaylor.com
http://lafetaylor.blogspot.com

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [MCP] Fwd: "minority kid burning"...
> From: steve greaves 
> Date: Mon, November 12, 2007 3:25 pm
> To: "Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social
> justice, and multicultural education." 
> 
> 
> Lafe, your letter sounded pretty tight, but for your slur against homosexuals, attributing homosexuality to the depraving conditions of same-sex imprisonment, which on the face of it is absurd. Homosexuality was highly regarded in the first democracy, ancient Greece, although a key element of it would nowadays be called child sexual abuse. Ironically, most men in ancient Greece were not homosexual, just as most perpetrators of child sexual abuse today are not gay, but heterosexual. Anyway, it's important in the cause of fighting for equality and justice for all to assiduously avoid dehumanizing or reinforcing the oppression of any other minority that is being exploited or persecuted by the dominant classes.
> sincerely,
> steve greaves
> 
> Lafe Taylor wrote:
> I'd like to chime in : ) 
> 
> James, from what I know as far as access to television and getting the show aired, you may try and contact the producers or whomever owns the rights to the show, and see if they will allow you to air the show on public access at the very least. I know it may seem pointless to air a show on pub access, but it's still an audience. Worth a shot.
> 
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> 
> 
> As far as media and it's portrayal of the negative, the only way to change it is through economics. Thinks of the bus boycotts. People purposely inconvenienced themselves and carpooled instead of taking the bus. The bus industry took such an economic hit, that they integrated way before the law of the land did. Same thing with rap and what's being pushed and spoon fed to our community and the world. The only real way to change the climate is through economics. Make the industry hurt, and the pockets is the only way the hurt comes. I guarantee that even a Little wayne would change his image/message if it were no longer profitable. 
> 
> 
> Let me get biblical if I may, in Mt 6:21 (KJV) "For where your treasure is there will your heart be also." When the 6 major companies, that virtually own all the media realize that degrading black people, or any people for that matter is no longer filling the banks, then they will cease to do so. Imus is such a hot topic, or at least was, [now Dogg took his place ; ) ]. I guarantee that Imus will get either his job back, or a better one. Why? Because the outrage hasn't disrupted his earning potential, because sadly enough, he still has an eager audience awaiting to hear him.
> 
> 
> The exploitation of blacks has been way too profitable throughout american history..... examples: slavery, prostitution, drugs, gambling, and entertainment (rap being the most self hating forms of ent. around) *I grew up on rap, so I love the art form, just not the PREVALENT message.
> So when exploiting blacks no longer reaps rewards, we will no longer have to be subjected to such exploits.
> 
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I don't believe economics is the only solution, but it does have a major impact on the discussion, and until we as a people can unite on realizing how powerful our dollars are, and actually sacrifice our own indulgence in the scheme, we will not not likely ever overcome the ills of racism.
> 
> 
> My basis for this thought is my deep concerns on welfare as we know it. Not from a tax dollars standpoint, but from a morality basis, I mentioned the bible so you know I must address morality ; )
> 
> 
> The "War on Poverty" introduced by Lyndon B. Johnson, may have been one of the most devastating things that happened to the black community (aside from integration, drugs and alcohol) I say this because it decimated the black family. It took men out of the homes of black families, thus deteriorating marriage in the black community. Divorce is the one of the major causes of poverty in the US. It kills self empowerment, cause it's more "profitable" to not work and depend on the gov, than it is to work and have all your benefits eliminated. The lack of work and the lack of male role models has lead to idleness in the communities, thus drive is gone and so is purpose. Not to mention the design of Ghettos. The design behind ghettos themselves are built to be destructive. Ghettos were by Nazis in order to decimate the Jews. I remember studying psychology and discussing the adverse affect of "GHETTO" style living among rats. The close quarter design bred violence and
> aggression, homosexuality (look at the prison system) and disease. These things are systematic and destructive by design. The state of welfare coupled with ghetto's among a host of other things has taken it's toll on the black community as we know it.
> 
> 
> Lafe Taylor
> Graphic Illustrator
> 
> 
> CHECK THE SITES!!!
> http://lafetaylor.com
> http://www.wgomag.com
> 
> 
> lafe at lafetaylor.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:32 AM, John Lindsay wrote:
> 
> 
> Excellent comments, LaVeta and James!!! 
> Yep, the positive rap doesn't get anywhere near the same marketing that the negative stuff does.
> 
> We all know that "if the white-dominated news had an opportunity to report on something positive in the Black community v. something negative, they're going to embrace the negative.
> 
> I think that by examining "why smooth jazz (which is what I listen to) and other artists do NOT receive the same type of marketing as negative/gangsta rap, it should provide us with a window of clarity or framework from which to examine everthying else.
> 
> For example, whites often complain about rap music, but go out of their way to broadcast it on radio, TV music channels, and feature them during TV awards shows.
> 
> When is the last time that you saw George Benson, Stanley Clarke, Brenda Russell, Najee, Marion Meadows, Pamela Williams, Kim Waters, etc., on a TV music awards show?!
> Never, right?!
> 
> This makes one wonder why the music companies these artists work for are not demanding that their artists receive top billing or more publicity on these shows.
> Aren't these folks more the type of role model that you'd want your teenagers listening to or looking at?
> 
> Additionally, with whites owning the majority of the music production and distribution companies, the retail music trade, and controls the airwaves, they could easily change the entire industry overnight...but they don't want to..because they have a larger covert interest.
> 
> Hence, the exclusion of positive and significantly more talented artists doesn't make economic sense and nor does it make sense within the context of "whites complaining about gangsta rap."
> 
> However, it does make sense within the context of the "campaign to destroy the Black family." 
> Thus, these music companies stunt the careers and earning capacities of these positive role models in order to participate in the larger campaign to destroy the Black family, and thereby both lessen the competition for jobs and create jobs in the prisons.
> 
> James, what area of the country are you in?
> We don't have TV-One here in Lexington, but our local cable provider (Insight) does include it in their channel lineup in Louisville.
> 
> I haven't seen "The Man Called Hawk," but it appears that the same thing that happened with Frank's Place occurred with "Hawk": a show with a strong and intelligent Black character was thrown in the rejects pile.
> 
> I think that with a concerted effort we could change the offerings of various cable packages.
> For example, with DISH or DIRECT you don't get BET in the basic or the next level's package of shows.
> And I'm no fan of what they should be calling Ghetto Entertainment Television (GET). 
> (will someone please smack the sh*t out of Robert Johnson for me?!)
> 
> We have got to be more energetic in this area. After all, we are spending money for these 
> " 'services.' "
> 
> John L. 
> 
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> 
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> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:19:27 -0800
> From: lavetafranze at yahoo.com
> To: mcp at edchange.org
> Subject: Re: [MCP] "minority kid burning"...
> 
> I wrote a paper on this very issue as an undergrad as well...
> It' has definitely cast a shadow on what we as American's would have hoped would be an unbiased and truthful account of the news; when in fact it is much more than meets the eye.
> For some this may be old news, for all others

> 
> In the video documentary "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism" by Robert Greenwald, the portrayal of the Fox News Network was depicted as a wolf's in sheep's clothing. The Fox News Network was scrutinized for their "interpretation" of the news. Many issues were presented via interviews with past employees, news clips of the Fox News Network's airings, and special reports. In turn evidence against the Fox News Network and Rupert Murdoch especially was presented in the form of interviews with some of the most prominent figures in journalistic society. This video presented the Fox News Network as a malicious bully, with negative overtones, that challenges Fox's factuality and reliability in presenting the news in a professional manor. Evidence of repetitive attempts to skew and slant the news in a biased manor was captured on video.
> What's so interesting is how this was primetime news, trusted my millions.
> It's eye opening!
> For anyone interested....
> www.outfoxed.org/
> 
> LaVeta Franzé
> lavetafranze at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> "James H. Allen" wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> Indeed, there are those who religiously watch COPS, just like there are those who will spend hours on end watching all of the JUDGE shows that occupy the airwaves. There are those who believe EVERYTHING they see on television. I know it sounds ridiculous, but unfortunately it is true. Without sounding paranoid, I do believe that their is a design to all of this. First, it is designed to make society afraid, non-trusting, judgmental (for those who are not "Black") and for those who are "Black" it is designed to have project a glorified way of being tough and in a warp sense "to have power." Sure most of us have never stepped foot in jail, but after you have been there, you return to your "hood" more glorified than you were before. So now the vicious cycle gains momentum. And because WE are followers by nature-things have taken a dramatic turn for the worse. Just look at the generation of young Blacks wearing their pants low-cursing like sailors-disrespecting
> females. These are learned behaviors, they did not enter into AMERICA with these traits. The home environment, or more certainly lack of, and the need to fit in has caused them to follow a path of self-destruction. It is as if they are in a bed of ants, and do not realize that they are being eaten alive.
> 
> Then of course we have the RAP music. Now, RAP in and of itself is not bad, BUT what is the content of the message. Therein lies the problem. The message is disrespect, drugs, violence, and a get it "by any means necessary." Malcolm would roll over in his grave if he thought his words would be used in such regard. There have been attempts by Rappers to perform RAP intended to raise the consciousness of the "BLACK MAN", but the music industry will not promote RAP that is intended to have a positive message, only that which fits into the self degradation that I mention above.
> 
> You see, it still feels good to believe that "YOU" are better than someone else. If you cannot do it by force (slavery), then you do it subliminally. It is an inherited fault of Humanity. When you find those who try to pull their fellow man up with them, those are persons that has elected to advance up the ladder of Humanity. I am troubled to say-that most people choose not to take that journey. The discussions we have on this site are unlike most anywhere. At least we are willing to discuss the issues and attempt to formulate through intelligent exchange, a possible way that we might change our environment. But, you must see the MASTER PLAN, to have people to be made to feel AFRAID. Homeland Security, Immigration Issues, "War of Terror", "Weapons of Mass Destruction", Mushroom clouds, etc. Etc. ETC. So people just say we will trust our government to do what is best for US, because they feel the government will have their best interest at heart. So they become
> mindless followers, instead of choosing to be independent thinkers.
> 
> Now, there have attempts to have positive role models on television-One that I really thought was excellent was A MAN CALLED HAWK. It had 13 episodes and then was not continued. I have tried in vain to find out how I could get these episodes for my community, but I have met a stone wall at every turn. I believe that "HAWK" was such a positive example of a MAN-especially a BLACK MAN that the network was either paid off, or told to take it off the air. If anyone has access to how I may obtain A Man Called hawk, I would truly be appreciative. I have an afterschool outreach-if anyone has any other suggestive movies that I can show my group, please email me. Thanks.
> 
> I am because We are, We are therefore, I am
> 
> ~ James H. Allen ~
> www.knowledge-first.org
> jhallen at knowledge-first.org
> 
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> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Lindsay
> To: Multicultural Pavilion's discussion group on equity, social justice, andmulticultural education.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [MCP] "minority kid burning"...
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I remember writing an essay about "Blacks portrayal in the media" while an undergrad, and one of the sources I cited was an article demonstrating how the show "COPS" and other similar TV programs were presenting crime as if the rates were going through the roof...while in reality the violent crime rate had dropped. 
> 
> So we must always be attentive to how the media seeks to influence public opinions through deceptive means.
> 
> I don't think people actively watch shows like COPS like they may do with the news.
> Thus, such lies are more likely to enter their unconsciousness without a challenge.
> 
> Oh, by the way, the other violent crime that isn't included in the stats I posted are those stemming from defective products.
> 
> We can't allow the powers-that-be to be the only ones that define "what violent crime is."
> 
> John L. 
> 
> 
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> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:42:45 -0800
> From: lavetafranze at yahoo.com
> To: mcp at edchange.org
> Subject: Re: [MCP] "minority kid burning"...
> 
> Isn't it amazing that these aren't the same statistics we see in mainstream media?
> (sarcasm intended)
> Kind of makes me say hmmmmm????
> Also, would you cite this? I would like to look at some other statistics as well.
> Thanks for the info!
> 
> John Lindsay wrote
> 
> Blacks do not have a monopoly on violence:
> 
> 
> Arrests by Race, 2002
> 
> Percent distribution1
> Offense charged
> White
> Black
> American
> Indian or
> Alaskan
> Native
> Asian
> or
> Pacific
> Islander
> Total
> 71.5%
> 25.7%
> 1.3%
> 1.6%
> Murder2
> 45.9
> 50.1
> 2.4
> 1.6
> Forcible rape
> 62.0
> 36.0
> 1.1
> 1.0
> Robbery
> 38.6
> 58.9
> 0.5
> 2.0
> Aggravated assault
> 60.8
> 36.7
> 1.2
> 1.3
> Burglary
> 72.4
> 25.2
> 1.1
> 1.3
> Larceny-theft
> 70.1
> 26.5
> 2.4
> 2.1
> Motor vehicle theft
> 58.3
> 38.3
> 1.4
> 2.0
> Arson
> 80.7
> 17.6
> 0.8
> 0.9
> Other assaults
> 62.9
> 34.7
> 1.2
> 1.2
> Forgery and counterfeiting
> 78.1
> 19.5
> 0.9
> 1.5
> Fraud
> 66.1
> 32.0
> 0.7
> 1.2
> Embezzlement
> 69.3
> 28.6
> 0.1
> 2.0
> Stolen property-buying,
> receiving, possessing
> 56.5
> 41.4
> 0.7
> 1.4
> Vandalism
> 81.0
> 16.6
> 1.2
> 1.2
> Weapons possession
> 67.1
> 30.7
> 0.8
> 1.3
> Prostitution
> 43.8
> 54.6
> 0.5
> 1.1
> Sex offenses, except
> forcible rape
> and prostitution
> 72.1%
> 26.0%
> 0.8%
> 1.2%
> Drug abuse violation
> 73.2
> 24.9
> 0.9
> 1.0
> Gambling
> 11.4
> 85.7
> 
> 2.9
> Offenses against family
> and children
> 73.8
> 23.5
> 0.9
> 1.8
> Driving under
> the influence
> 93.3
> 4.1
> 1.8
> 0.8
> Liquor laws
> 92.2
> 4.4
> 2.5
> 0.9
> Drunkenness
> 90.0
> 7.4
> 1.9
> 0.7
> Disorderly conduct
> 63.9
> 34.0
> 1.2
> 0.8
> Vagrancy
> 75.6
> 22.8
> 0.9
> 0.7
> All other offenses
> except traffic
> 74.9
> 22.3
> 1.2
> 1.6
> Suspicion
> 69.7
> 28.2
> 0.6
> 1.5
> Curfew and loitering 
> law violations
> 68.6
> 28.8
> 1.1
> 1.5
> Runaways
> 75.8
> 18.4
> 1.3
> 4.5
> 
> NOTE: For arrests 18 years and older. Total number of estimated arrests: 13.7 million.
> 1. Because of rounding, the percentages may not add up to total.
> 2. Includes nonnegligent manslaughter.
> Source: Crime in the United States, 2002, FBI, Uniform Crime Reports.
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> John L. 
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